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Why is the National Association of Realtors allowing banks to give Realtors the shaft on short sales?

Yes this is a rant. 

I simply don't get this.  By now nearly everybody has gotten the word.  Short sales stink.  The process for so many homeowners, buyers, Realtors, title companies, mortgage brokers, etc. is often unbelievably long, frustrating, and painful.  And even when you do get the short saling lender to finally come back with a reply months later, the buyer has often given up and disappeared.  Why aren't the banks forced to use some of their TARP money to expedite short sales?

  

Back last Fall, our local Mid-Florida Regional MLS that covers some 13+ counties in Central Florida became part of a "pilot program" with Fannie Mae and Countrywide Home Loans regarding short sales.  Many properties were cherry picked by Fannie Mae into a streamlined program to expedite the short sale process.  The process includes a pre-approved price and a 30 day or less processing time. 

So what is the result so far?  Out of a total of 209 properties, as of today 43 of these properties have sold according to our MLS. Another 118 are on the market either active or waiting for the short sale to be approved.  And yet another 48 have either expired or been withdrawn. 

So only 20.6% (43 out of 209) of these short sales that were already price approved and all set up for an expedited streamlined closing actually have made it to a closing.  Granted this search is of the entire MLS area which covers several thousand firms.  And I know what the problem is because I have one of these pilot program listings.  The pre-approved price is way too high.  Real simple yet the bureaucrats still don't get it. 

Now compare that to the total short sale listings in our MFRMLS.  There are presently 25,088 active / pending listings that indicate they are in a short sale / 3rd party approval situation.  Since January 1, 2009 there have been 3,748 closed short sales, 3,418 expired, and 3,390 withdrawn.  That puts the chance of getting a short sale sold at 10.5% (3,748 out of a total of 35,644).  Wow that really stinks!  Granted it means the pilot program does give you twice the chance of getting it sold, but still it stinks!

Fortunately 20 of these SOLD short sales this year were by our firm, but still we need to see many more close. Many of our Realtors have taken lots of short sale training and I myself got a CSP (Certified Short-Sale Professional) certification.  But even with all that, there is only so much that can be done by us.

So my beef is ... where is the National Association of Realtors in all this?  While all these banks have their handouts for TARP funds, where is NAR?  Now I do realize that NAR did lobby Washington last Fall to do something about streamlining short sales, but come on.  Washington is doing little to nothing about this huge problem.  Instead they are spending money on all types of wasteful government projects and not going after the root problem to the whole economic meltdown.

With all the RPAC dollars given to NAR, why can't they get something done about these short sales???  Nobody seems to be able to answer the question, and NAR has basically been silent on the political side of this short sale issue ever since the Obama administration took over. 

Granted I haven't heard anything out of Congress or the White House either on this short sale issue.  They are trying to push for mortgage modifications, but come on let's be realistic.  If you are behind on your payments and the value of your house is 50% of what you owe, no mortgage modification plan is going to help out for a long-term arrangement unless the principal balance gets reduced to the current home value.  So just allow the sucker to short sale so the homeowner can move on with their life. 

Mr. President, Senators, Congress, NAR, where are you?!?!?

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

Governor Crist vetoes Florida insurance deregulation bill

This bill was supposedly designed to allow Florida's largest homeowner insurance company State Farm to still write policies in Florida and charge the higher rates that they wanted to.  Orlando Sentinel article on the subject.  Although I certainly don't like the idea of raising insurance rates on anyone or letting big insurers gouge people with high rates, I do believe heavily in the free market economy. 

    For instance if I as a real estate broker want to charge 15% commissions, you as a consumer have the right to not use my services and go with someone who charges less.  The same with retailers - if Dillards charges a higher price than Wal-Mart for the same item, I as a consumer have the right to shop at the cheaper place.

Why should insurance shopping be any different? If State Farm wants to charge $5,000 in premiums and local companies like Security First or Florida Family are willing to charge only $1,000 than why the heck would I pick State Farm.  It is all about supply and demand. 

Now granted, I do "get it."  There are not nearly as many homeowner's insurance companies out there as there are Realtors or retailers, but still why chase off the competition just because they want to charge higher rates.  State Farm has already indicated they are leaving.  Nationwide stopped writing new policies a few years ago.  Allstate canceled 2 of my policies a while back after Hurricane Wilma came through in 2005.

The last thing we need is for the State of Florida owned Citizens Insurance to take on more and more policies and then get blasted by a Hurricane Andrew or Charley. Talk about a real disaster for the taxpayers if that happens. It could bankrupt the state.

Having less competition means higher prices for everyone or the alternative is you simply don't have enough insurers and have to get state run companies like Citizens insuring big portions of the state.  And Citizens charges a whole lot more than private companies and they don't issue liability insurance on non-owner occupied properties (meaning rental homes, commercial, vacation homes, etc.)

We all need to pray that we don't have another hurricane season like 2004 or 2005 if State Farm does eventually pull out.  Yikes! 

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(Copyright © 2009. Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. All rights reserved.)   Subscribe to my blog via RSS feed.

Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

SHOULD I PAY MY MORTGAGE?

This is an excellent article written by a Florida real estate attorney.  It makes a great read on this very timely subject.  Enjoy!

Via Richard Zaretsky, Florida Real Estate Attorney (Richard P. Zaretsky P.A. ):

This seems to be THE NUMBER ONE question I get.  Unfortunately there are several answers and which  is correct for you depends on the Circumstances.  I will address the common scenarios in this article.

Policy in my office is to never "tell" - as in "instruct" - our borrower client to pay or not to pay their mortgage.  Paying or not paying has a lot of collateral effects and the borrower needs to know what they are before making the decision.  We don't make the decision for the borrower (our client) because the effects of paying or not paying are not going to affect me - but they will affect the client, so it is the client that must make the final decision.

Let me make one issue clear - when we are hired to help facilitate a short sale or loan modification it is far easier for us to negotiate with the lender if the payments are late, but it is almost never a requirement.  The exceptions to which will be discussed later in this article.  Additionally, internal rules change at the banks constantly.  A new client came in totally frustrated. They called their bank to help with a modification and the bank said they could not address their situation until they were at least 60 days late.  So the near perfect (800+) credit score couple stopped paying for 60 days and then called the bank back. Now the bank says that because they are 60 days late they cannot speak to them about a modification!  The point is, if you don't have to be late then why voluntarily create a late payment credit history that will adversely affect your credit-dependent life almost immediately and for years to come? 

SO LET'S GET INTO IT - Danger - this is a long article and it covers a lot of ground!

Short Sale:

A borrower that is current and contemplating a short sale wonders if they should stop paying their (first) mortgage. They are upside down and until now they have been current.  However they are paying the mortgage at a cost of not paying other bills. (Other or different facts may be that they are paying all their bills but taking the money from savings or a pension fund to make those payments, or they are borrowing money from another equity loan).

Generally, it is not a good idea to get into debt to pay your mortgage, unless you have a solid plan to both (i) keep the mortgage current and (ii) repay the additional indebtedness you are creating.  It is not like taking from one pocket to put into another - it is more like taking from someone else's pocket to pay your bills.  This would include credit card loans as the source of funds.  It all has to be paid back, so if you don't have a plan to pay it back, don't borrow it in the first place!  You are only digging a bigger hole for yourself and making it harder to get out of the hole.

If you are taking from your pension or savings money, again you better have a rock solid plan to get that money back into those accounts, or there is no sense in giving up that hard earned and usually irreplaceable retirement money, especially considering these are monies that are usually protected from creditors' judgments including those your mortgage lender could obtain (deficiency judgment)..

Of course the "amount" of money you have "in reserve" comes into consideration.  If you have 2 million dollars in reserve and you decide to spend 10% of it to keep the loans current until you can short sale the property, that plan has a basis that the 10% is not going to make a difference in the way you run your life over the remaining time you have left as a mere mortal.

Sometimes, but rarely, we run into a lender that says they won't approve a short sale or modification because the borrower is current with his payments.  When we have encountered this it is in most cases associated with a government backed loan, (but later on we will show you why this may be motivated by plain greed on the part of a loan servicer).   A properly compiled financial snapshot of the borrower should show why they are current and what will happen if the short sale or modification is not approved.

Your decision on how to proceed should be based on what goal you are trying to accomplish and how you plan to get to that goal (see how to determine your goal).

Mortgage Modification:

Apart for some voluntary government programs regarding (Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac) government involved mortgages, I know of no lender that absolutely will not deal with a borrower who is current with their mortgage payments. Lenders deal with all sorts of situations and "absolutely not" is just not in the vocabulary. A typical borrower calling a lender may hear that they must be late, but that is more of a "vetting" statement than an absolute policy.

The exceptions are some government program guides for modification.  The first step to seeing if your loan comes within this exception is to see if it is a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan.  You can do this online at the Making Home Affordable site.  Many servicers and lenders whose loans are not "government backed" are now choosing to follow this government plan (known as the Home Affordable Modification plan or more affectionately called the "Obama Plan" - see below) for the simple reason that they are being compensated by the government for each successful modification they execute within its guidelines, and either the servicer or lender receive a residual bonus for the loan staying current under the modification.  In these cases we have seen non-government backed loans insist on the borrower being late to qualify for modification as well.  What is confusing on this point is that when the plan was introduced it included modifications (and compensation for such) for current loans as well.  However, we are told time and time again from the lenders directly that they must be late to qualify. There is no such rule in the guidelines.

While this is contrary to what has been published by the government about the plan, keep mind that following the plan and any of its various aspects is entirely voluntary and up to the Lender or servicer.  They can pick and chose from this plan as they see fit for their own internal reasons.  Here is a more interesting twist - a servicer that modifies a delinquent loan is paid more under this incentive plan than if the borrower were to modify while the loan is current!  If the borrower is current, the servicer can receive up to $3,500 in incentive fees from the government.  If the borrower is delinquent, the servicer can receive up to $4,000 in incentive fees from the government.  Thus it seems that it pays ($500 to)the servicer to encourage a borrower to be delinquent!

We often see a client that fits the profile for modification under this government plan.  Some of these plans are said to require that to be qualified the borrower must be late 60 days (see Guidelines page 5 at bottom).  But in fact, being late is not a requirement, but only one factor of many (see Guidelines page 16 at the top - "However, a NPV (net present value) positive result is not necessary to qualify a loan for a Home Affordable Modification").  If the goal is to qualify under such a plan as put in place by the lender at that time, then to accomplish that qualification the borrower may need to make themselves late, but that cannot be determined in a 2 minute telephone call with a lender representative.  I cringe when we go this route because just like these "plans" came into existence, I can see them change the plan thus leaving the now 60 day late borrower with ruined credit scores that occurred needlessly.

Generally about a quarter of our modification clients never go late and still get a modification offer from the lender.  However, keep in mind that nearly all lenders put up as their first line of defense the policy that going late is a necessity to qualify.  We can only speculate this is done to deter the enormous inflow of loan modification requests from borrowers that would come in if this was NOT said to be a requirement.  It also helps address those in the most dire amount of need first.

The Pro's and the Con's:

The general rule of thumb we use is if you can pay your mortgage and maintain your life's necessities, you may consider keeping the loan current, taking the points in this article into account.  However, if you need to choose between buying food or medications and paying the mortgage, the decision that should be made is clear: your life necessities take precedent.

Here are the pro's to consider when in the short sale or modification process.  Keeping the loan CURRENT has the following benefits:

a) Your credit score is not dinged until the short sale transaction occurs (and not at all in most loan modifications) and your overall credit score reduction will be minimized, and b) You will remain in good standing with your lender without worry of penalties, fines, or a foreclosure. 

The "con's" of keeping the loan current are that:

(a) You will be out of pocket for the monthly mortgage payment (monies which you may or may not need to survive), and

(b) Your lender may question the sincerity of your claimed hardship, and you may be spending funds that would otherwise be potentially (but rarely) forgiven by the lender.  In addition, occasionally the lenders in a short sale may require a lump sum payment above the sale amount from the borrower to forgive the debt. Coming up with that money is sometimes the difference between a deal or no-deal.  If you can put your mortgage payments aside and stockpile them, it will help you cover that potential lump sum.

A similar pro/con approach applies to GOING DELINQUENT with your mortgage.  In favor of going late is being able to keep the unspent mortgage payments in your pocket (or applied towards other necessities as the case may be) in which event your hardship may appear more sincere to the lender.  On the other hand, there are very real consequences to going late with your mortgage payment:

a) You WILL incur late fees and other penalties on the late interest.  Usually this is not a large issue as it is part of the forgiven debt in a short sale and usually forgiven in a modification, but it is something to consider,

b) Your credit score downgrade will be harder as you will compound the short sale hit with a 30 day late, 60 day late, etc, (and if this is a modification you will make a non-negative credit score event turn into a negative credit score event), and

c) You will eventually cross a threshold (typical industry standard of 90 days late) where the lender will  initiate a foreclosure action in State court.

Going Late on Your Second Mortgage:

Often a borrower comes to us and says that they are late on the first mortgage but current on the second mortgage.  The second mortgage is almost always totally upside down with no equity left in the property to secure that financial obligation.  The borrower says they paid the second mortgage because they had the money for the smaller payment (second) mortgage but not the larger amount first mortgage. Our answer - if you don't pay the first mortgage they are going to foreclose it and then paying the second mortgage is not going to save your house.

Lately we have seen second mortgage lenders with 90 day late mortgages skipping the foreclosure process (since if they cause a sale of the house it is sold subject to the first mortgage, and thus any buyer still has to pay the first mortgage, which usually makes no economic sense).  Instead the second mortgage lender sues the borrower on the promissory note only and gets a money judgment that they can keep for a long time (20 years in Florida).

So if a client says they are paying the second mortgage but not the first mortgage, we usually suggest they look at the common sense approach and what are they likely to gain or lose by doing so.

Effect of Non-Payment / Late Payment on Credit Score:

This is a big question and nowhere is the answer clear cut.  Definitely if you get a report on your credit that you were "late" (in mortgages that means 30 days or more late) then your credit has been "dinged" and your credit score is adversely affected.

Credit scores are used for many purposes, including the amount of credit you can get on a credit card, the interest rate you get on credit cards, car loans and mortgages, your ability and price of life and disability insurance and even car or house liability insurance, your ability to get a certain type of job, or to establish business relationships, and your ability to rent a place to live, to name a few.  So credit scores are important. If you want to better understand credit scoring you can see the Federal Reserve Board's Report to Congress from April 2008.

How much your credit score is affected by a 30, 60 or 90 day late report depends on a lot of other factors about your financial well being, your past credit history and myriad other issues.  Generally though we have our clients reporting drops of as little as 50 points for a no late payment short sale or up to 150 points for a short sale with multiple late payment reports.  We have seen an 800 go to 720 and we have seen a 740 go to 500.  It all depends on too many uncontrollable credit issues to be able to give a formula that works for everyone. For a discussion on credit scores this our past article.

Confused?

Rightfully so.  The fact of the matter is that we are in uncharted waters and there is no industry standard for Short Sales or Loan Modifications, which makes pinning down exactly what the Lenders may do near impossible.  Pile on the fact that there are a large number of lenders out there and each have their own internal policies which change as readily as the tides.  The best anyone can hope to do is make an educated decision, set a plan, and be ready for anything.

Copyright 2009 Richard P. Zaretsky, Esq.

Be sure to contact your own attorney for your state laws, and always consult your own attorney on any legal decision you need to make.  This article is for information purposes and is not specific advice to any one reader.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@Florida-Counsel.com - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Modifications and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com  New Website www.Florida-Counsel.com.  See our easy to find articles at SHORT SALE AND LOAN MODIFICATION TABLE OF CONTENTS

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

Flat fee MLS listings Brevard County - Cocoa Beach, Melbourne, Palm Bay, Titusville

We provide flat fee listing MLS service in the Brevard County and Space Coast Florida area including Cocoa Beach, Titusville, Merritt Island, Rockledge, Melbourne, and Palm Bay.  List your home in the Brevard County MLS for less. Get your for sale by owner FSBO house exposed to thousands of Volusia County Realtors and millions of buyers through the internet including sites like Realtor.comFloridaToday.comSDRhouses.com, and thousands of other similar real estate sites.

Service area covers all of Brevard County and Central Florida including some 29 counties in the area. From Orlando to Brevard to Miami and everywhere in between, we can get your property advertised.

We also service the cities/towns of Cocoa, Palm Shores, Satellite Beach, Port Saint John, Eau Gallie, Malabar, West Melbourne, Grant-Valkaria, Micco, Sharpes, Indian Harbour Beach, Indiatlantic, Viera, Suntree, Cape Canaveral, Melbourne Beach, and more.

For more details including our full price list and frequently asked questions, please refer to the Sand Dollar Realty Group website.  We are not just some 1-800 number internet based real estate office. We are locally owned and operated in Altamonte Springs just down the road from you. We can sit down with you face-to-face to discuss your individual property selling needs. Give us a call for a free market analysis of your home today.

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(Copyright © 2009. Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. All rights reserved.)   Subscribe to my blog via RSS feed.

Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

  

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

List is the MLS - flat fee listing for less Daytona Beach, Port Orange, and New Smyrna Beach

Our firm provides flat fee listing MLS service in the Daytona Beach and Central Florida including Ormond Beach, Port Orange, New Smyrna Beach, Deltona, Deland, and all of Volusia County, Florida.  List your home in the Daytona Beach Area MLS and/or the New Smyrna Beach Board of Realtors MLS. We can also list your home in the Mid Florida Regional Multiple Listing Service for a very reasonable additional charge.  Get your for sale by owner FSBO house exposed to thousands of Volusia County Realtors and millions of buyers through the internet including sites like Realtor.comDaytona Beach News Journal, SDRhouses.com, and thousands of other similar real estate sites.

Service area covers all of Volusia County and Central Florida including some 29 counties in the area. From Orlando to Daytona Beach to Jacksonville and everywhere in between, we can get your property advertised.

We also service the cities/towns of Ormond by the Sea, Wilbur by the Sea, Daytona Beach Shores, South Daytona, Samsula, Oak Hill, Holly Hill, Ponce Inlet, and Edgewater.

For more details including our full price list and frequently asked questions, please refer to the Sand Dollar Realty Group website.  We are not just some 1-800 number internet based real estate office. We are locally owned and operated in Altamonte Springs just down the road from you. We can sit down with you face-to-face to discuss your individual property selling needs. Give us a call for a free consultation today.

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(Copyright © 2009. Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. All rights reserved.)   Subscribe to my blog via RSS feed.

Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

  

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

The Tricks and Traps of Buying bank owned REO properties - Part 5

In previous articles in this series, I discussed how banks handle an upcoming R.E.O. property prior to the foreclosure auction, how banks determine prices for their R.E.O.'s, and what specific properties you should target for the greatest deals.  In the last 2 articles of this series, I will be discussing negotiation strategies for getting the best deals on bank owned REO's. 

The Tricks and Traps of Buying bank owned REO properties - Part 1

The Tricks and Traps of Buying bank owned REO properties - Part 2

The Tricks and Traps of Buying bank owned REO properties - Part 3

The Tricks and Traps of Buying bank owned REO properties - Part 4

  (Huge 5/3 Altamonte Springs pool home that we will be listing as an REO.)

If you reference back to Part 3 of this series, you can find information on the critical time frames during the life of an REO foreclosure listing.  The key thing to remember is that banks typically do not entertain lowball offers during the first 30 days, but they become increasingly more open to lowball offers as the listing ages.  This is especially the case as the listing reaches 90 days or longer on the market.  Once 90 days pass, the listing Realtor, the asset manager, and the bank itself often get very motivated to see the property sold.  This does not necessarily mean that they will take a lowball offer, but they will definitely become a lot more negotiable.  The longer the property stays listed, the more motivated the bank tends to get.

How can you tell when an REO foreclosure listing is going to expire?  The time frames are fairly simple.  For residential properties, typically 95% of the time the seller will initially list the property for 90 days and then extend the listing on an ongoing basis for additional 30 day periods.  If the bank does not get reasonable offers during the extension time, they will often let the listing expire and then re-list with another Realtor. 

Another key time frame to keep in mind when negotiating with banks is the monthly calendar.  When you approach the end of a fiscal-year's quarter (i.e. March 31, June 30, September 30, December 31) or the end of the calendar tax year, the bank will often be more motivated to sell their inventory.  If a bank can get a non-performing asset off its books for a quarterly or year-end report, they will sometimes make you a real deal.  Keep that in mind when putting a closing date in your offer.  Always try to close before the end of the month and definitely before the end of a quarter or calendar year.  I bought a nice 3/2/2 house at the end of 2007 that was listed in the M.L.S. at $150,000.  The bank accepted my $85,000 offer in part because I was willing to close on it before the end of the year. 

If you do get into negotiations on a bank owned property, never quit negotiating with them unless they reject your offer altogether.  Asset managers often have unpublished prices that they are willing to sell for regardless of what the property is actually listed at.  Last month I had a condo listed for $89,900.  The buyers originally offered $65,000 cash.  The sellers countered at $85,000.  The buyers were only willing to come up another $5,000 and told the seller $70,000.  The sellers countered again at $83,000.  The buyers came back with $70,500 as their final offer.  The sellers sat around on this counter-offer for about 3 days and then agreed to accept the $70,500.  If the buyers would have walked away early, they would have never known just how low the seller would have gone. 

Until next time ...

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

Some fresh legal feedback on Florida short sales, foreclsoure rescue, & loan modifications

Last Friday Central Florida Realty Investors association put on a powerful discussion panel featuring Florida Deputy Attorney General John Pare', Mike Moore from the Florida Office of Financial Services, and 2 local real estate attorneys Bob Lerner and Joe Seagle.  The room was packed with at least 100 people coming from as far away as Tampa and Fort Meyers. 

  

This panel gave out a lot of true meat and potatoes as far as answering serious pertinent questions regarding the Florida Foreclosure Fraud Law FS 501.1377 as well as unlicensed activity by non-attorneys or real estate brokers. 

Many of the questions from the audience were concerning the "equity purchaser" part of the law which effects subject to, sale/leaseback, and similar type transactions.  However the Attorney General's office actually said that they have had very few complaints on those issues.  The main complaints they are getting are on people charging upfront fees for short sales, loan modifications, and other foreclosure rescue type operations.

Deputy AG John Pare' stressed several times that if you are charging upfront fees for any of these services to someone in foreclosure that in their eyes you are breaking the law.  He specifically stated that real estate brokers charging upfront or "retainer" fees for a short sale was a big no-no.  He referenced for instance that during early 2008 that companies like Countrywide and Aurora were not negotiating at all, so how could anyone justify taking an upfront fee to work a short sale or loan modification on those deals when they wouldn't get anywhere on the negotiations.

Another problem they are seeing is companies hiring lawyers to work on their short sale or loan modification or foreclosure defense negotiations.  The AG's office clearly stated that only homeowners can hire and pay these lawyers and not 3rd party companies.  And likewise the attorney cannot pay out a referral fee to someone that referred them a customer.  Additionally law firms that are located outside of Florida cannot be representing real estate transactions or homeowners unless the law firm has been admitted to the Florida Bar.

One question that I asked the panel is "Can an unlicensed person put a property under contract to purchase, then negotiate a short sale or loan modification for the owner (basically a 3rd party), and if successful assign or purchase the property?"  Although I did not get a firm YES or NO answer, the answer I did get was that the reason why real estate brokers, mortgage brokers, and attorneys have licenses, continuing education requirements, surety bonds, etc. are to protect the public. The State of Florida is scrutinizing all these transactions very heavily for unlicensed activity and fraud.

I also was made aware that Attorney's Title Insurance Fund (Florida's largest title insurer) along with their strategic partner Old Republic Title just put the axe down on short sale double closings and options because they consider these deals to be potential loan fraud.  I'm not sure if any title insurers still allow these anymore at least in Florida. 

I've been saying for 2 years now that everything in the real estate and mortgage world is under a big microscope.  Big Brother IS WATCHING YOU.  I don't say this to scare people or make people angry.  However, how many times a day do you get an email, a phone call, a postcard, a door hanger, or whatever from one of these short sale rescue, loan modification, etc. firms wanting to pay you referral fees or give you some sort of training?  I must get at least 10 per day every day for the last year - and guess what, probably 90% of them are breaking the law in some way. 

Be careful - this really is the new wild wild west.

Below are a few links if you want to read up further on this interesting discussion:

Florida attorney general

New Florida Statute FS 494.00296 a/k/a SB 2226 regarding mortgage brokers and lenders

Florida Bar News 3/15/09 article

Attorneys' Title Insurance Fund and short sale double closings

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

Florida real estate agents - get paid commissions and no MLS or Realtor dues required

EARN COMMISSION INCOME - NO EXPERIENCE NECESSARY

Since dues for the Mid Florida Regional MLS must be paid by today June 15, 2009, I thought this post would be appropriate. Contrary to what some people may tell you ... you can legally keep your Florida real estate license active, get paid commissions, and do licensed real estate activities all without paying Realtor or MLS dues.

Don't let your license go inactive when you join the crowd of ex-Realtors getting out of the business. Keep it active.  Even if you only refer one or two deals to us a year, you can still possibly make a bunch of money in referral fees by doing so.  Why let your hard earned license go to waste? Refer the leads to us. We will do all the work for you and you still get a share.


What we provide to our referral agents: 

  • Great referral commission splits on your referrals and your own personal deals - see website for details.
  • Discounts on our flat fee MLS listing service. 
  • Professional help and advice when you need it.
  • Centrally located Altamonte Springs office. Free use of our conference room and on staff notary.
  • Free attendance to all monthly sales meetings of Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc.
  • Earn additional income from our affiliations with local title company Brokers Title and the sale of home warranties.
  • Easy exit agreement. As long as your expenses and splits are paid in full to us, you can give us 7 days notice to cancel the agreement.
  • Free access to all member MLS's when you come to our office and work directly with one of our Realtors.
  • If you decide that you want to join the local Realtor association and obtain MLS access for yourself, you can switch your license over to our Realtor-brokerage, Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc., at anytime (subject to broker approval).
What we require of you:

  • You must have a valid and current Florida real estate license (sales associate or broker associate).
  • You must pay your DBPR licensing fees and take the continuing education required by law.
  • You must register your potential customer leads with us in writing.
  • But other than that we do not require much else from you. No quotas of any kind. No requirement to list or run all your personal sales through our firm. Just send us your leads, and let us do the work. When the deal closes, you get paid. How easy is that?

For more details on the program and the commission splits refer to our Sand Dollar Referrals LLC website.

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

Federal House Bill HR 1728 - Could it be the death of seller financing for real estate investors?

The Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act HR 1728.  Sounds good - who wants predatory lenders anyway?  The big problem is that this bill prohibits seller financing more than once every 3 years unless the seller gets a mortgage license. What???

This includes seller financing, 2nd mortgages, wrap around mortgages, agreements for deed, and contracts for deed. Even if they do get licensed, there are a bunch of extra hoops and disclosures necessary which may end up killing the deal anyway.  A lot of people (including myself) use seller financing as a form of residual income and retirement income.  This is a federal bill, so the law would effect every real estate transaction throughout the United States.

 

HR 1728 has already been PASSED by the U.S. House of Representatives and is headed to the Senate now.  Here is the official site to get the full details on the bill. A companion bill in the Senate has not been submitted yet, but I have heard that it is in the works already.

You can also read up on some other people's comments on HR 1728.

NoteInvestor.com

OpenCongress.org

Lenn Harley

National Real Estate Investors Association NAREIA (bottom of the page)

National Association of Realtors (middle of the page).  They seem more oblivious to the seller financing issue than anything.

To me this type of restriction on seller financing is simply un-American.  Seller financing is a basic right in a real estate transaction in my opinion, and so many investors are using these creative tactics right now.  You almost have to be thinking creatively to get deals done anymore in this crazy economy.

It is important to contact both of your Senators (yes you have 2 of them) immediately and let them know you want seller financing exempted from this bill.  Otherwise it will be a massive loss to private property rights without any compensation to you. 

If you aren't sure who your Senator is, you can check out the Senate's website.

I'm hoping to pay a visit to Florida Senator Mel Martinez's office this week along with a small group from Central Florida Realty Investors Association to let him know our concerns over this proposed legislation.  I strongly suggest that you write, email, or call your Senator right away and tell them to exempt seller financing from the Senate version of the bill.

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(Copyright © 2009. Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. All rights reserved.) Subscribe to my blog via RSS feed.

Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.

Orange County & Seminole County real estate statistics for May 2009

The Orlando Regional Realtor Association released their real estate market statistics for May 2009 and again the numbers are looking very positive.  The inventory level of homes for sale continued its decrease to 19,123 - that's 1,071 less homes for sale than just last month.  And not all the properties are expiring or getting foreclosed on.  Many are actually selling.

The number of actual closed sales was 1,854.  This is the best month for sales since way back in December 2006 some 2 1/2 years ago.  1,854 sales vs. 19,123 for sale means there is a 10.3 month supply of homes available.  Compare that to May 2008 when there were only 1,347 sales vs. 25,015 for sale which was 18.5 months supply.  Big difference.

Granted the median home price is way down to $130,000 and the average price is $155,700.  That is a huge drop since last year, but prices were unrealistic for so long that very few people could buy a home.  Things have changed and that is part of why sales have picked up.  Additionally the federal government is giving a $8,000 tax credit (a check) to anyone who buys a home between now and December 1, 2009 as long as they haven't owned a home in the last 3 years.  This is a VERY BIG DEAL.

For more details on these market statistics please refer to the ORRA website.

 

ORRA Originated Sales

May 2009 4.90% 19,123 3,754 3,455 6,603 690 958 1,300 1,854 104

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(Copyright © 2009. Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. All rights reserved.) Subscribe to my blog via RSS feed.

Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI, Managing real estate broker, Notary Public

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com We Buy Houses Florida

We sell foreclosures, short sales, and bank owned REO properties throughout Central Florida. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.

I also provide flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Central & South Florida, the Space Coast, and the Treasure Coast including Orlando, Winter Park, Maitland, Ocoee, Winter Garden, Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Casselberry, Longwood, Winter Springs, Oviedo, Lake Mary, Sanford, Deltona, Debary, Deland, Mount Dora, Eustis, Clermont, Kissimmee, Winter Haven, Lakeland, Tampa, Sarasota, Bradenton, Miami-Dade, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Port Saint Lucie, Melbourne, Daytona Beach, Ocala, Gainesville, Palatka, Jacksonville, Volusia, Brevard, and more.

 

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Rob Arnold - Your full service and investor friendly Realtor ® in Orlando and Central Florida.

407-389-7318 / 1-877-389-7318 www.SDRhouses.com   www.WeBuyHousesFlorida.com 

We sell foreclosure, short sale, and bank owned REO house home throughout Central Florida, metro Orlando, and the Space Coast. We sell and list Central Florida real estate and Orlando real estate. Free list of foreclosure and short sale houses available.  Our firm also provides flat fee MLS listings, For Sale By Owner, and menu-based services in most parts of Florida including Orlando, Altamonte Springs, Apopka, Kissimmee, Sanford, Lake Mary, and Deltona.